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 I'm not gonna posit myself as any sort of authority--I did use Livejournal once upon a time, but only in my own quiet way.  But I'm looking between my Reading Page and my dash and just, thinking about how different they are, and why I don't think Dreamwidth will become the next fannish hub even if I wish it would. 

Here is a more thought-out post on the topic, by someone who seems to have used Dreamwidth more than I ever did.  

I think there are three things tumblr users are going to miss if they come to Dreamwidth, and those are: liking, reblogging, and the incredible ease of adding images to a post (even if it's not incredibly easy to add images to a post and have them display properly, which is a whole other kettle of rotten fish).  I'm not gonna talk too much about the images, as that's not really my thing, but I imagine that that makes Dreamwidth a much less attractive option for fanartists.

But I will talk about Liking and Reblogging.  I think both of these functions of tumblr--arguably, along with posting, these basic functions of tumblr--support those who would otherwise be lurkers (like me!) in networking and finding community.  I often struggle to articulate words of kindness, or to believe that my thoughts are worth a reblog comment on someone else's post; but being able to silently Like a post in support of a friend, or to reblog something to increase its visibility without having to say anything about it (or, as my tumblr followers are I have no doubt aware, talking about it in the "whisperspace" of tags rather than in the post itself, where my words aren't necessarily reproduced in further reblogs unless someone chooses to reproduce them), has given me ways to participate in conversations without struggling to be articulate or to avoid saying what might be considered offensive.

Dreamwidth has neither of these functions.  Dreamwidth has comments, which are like tumblr's replies except sensible.

The post I liked above mentions "Memories" as serving the function of "Likes".  I would argue that it's more like AO3's "Bookmarks"--I haven't had the chance to experiment with it yet, but I think that the poster doesn't receive any kind of notification when somebody adds a post to their Memories.  So if that's how you use your Likes, as a place to collect content you enjoy for your own perusal, then the functions might seem parallel; but I used Likes as a signal: hey, you made a good post, I enjoyed it.  (I personally also used Likes as a signal to myself--if I reblogged something, I liked it, with rare exceptions; this means that if I encountered the same post again months later, I would know that I had already reblogged it, even if I didn't remember it.)

Edit to add: I tested this on one of [personal profile] oulfis' posts and yeah, Memories are DEFINITELY more Bookmarks than Likes.  Lawrence did not get a notification or a message that I'd done it, there's no indication on the post itself that it happened; and what's more, when I did it I got to add keywords, and control the privacy of the Memory (Public, Access Only, or Private; I haven't set up custom filters yet so I'm not sure if I can apply those to a Memory's privacy level).  So it's definitely a collect-for-your-own-reference tool, and not a communicate-your-enjoyment tool.  Which isn't a problem, imo; but I also don't think it can be espoused as a replacement or a parallel to Likes without discussing why people use Likes, which clearly differs from person to person.  /edit

So as a lurker and someone who's very shy about putting actual words on my communication with others (and the people who routinely talk to me over IMs are going "Olli what" right now but It's True), I loved being able to Like something as a silent "hey I see you I support you", or reblog something with no commentary or with whisperspace commentary.  And I think that I'm probably not the only one who's going to miss that.

On the flip side of the coin, as someone who used Livejournal and did love using different user icons for different moods and tones--somewhere I still have a collection--I'm actually totally happy now to have just one, and to let that represent me alone.  I think I did miss that when I first moved to Tumblr.

Further edited to add:  Tags on a Dreamwidth post are not functional as whisperspace: they sort alphabetically once on the post, and get truncated much smaller than on tumblr.  That's okay with me, I think?  I think because--a reblog comment has the potential to spread your words much farther than your own following; whereas tag commentary, unless it's copied, is only seen by your own following.  Writing a post here, or commenting on someone else's post, your comment (even though not in whisperspace) has only the reach you (or the original poster) define through privacy settings.  Here's a screenshot of how my attempted whisperspace tags on this post ended up, and my reconstruction of how I originally wrote them:

A screenshot of truncated tags on a Dreamwidth post.

I tried to tag:  the great fannish migration 2018, tumblr, one of the things I hate about twitter is the lack of whisperspace, you don't get to be quiet on twitter, we'll see if dreamwidth's tags system is too functional to be used as whisperspace, but for now I'm too much in the habit to stop

No I will not stop editing this post: ONE LAST THING that tumblr users might not be used to: your own posts do not show up on your Reading Page (dashboard equivalent) automatically!  If you want them there, subscribe to yourself; if it doesn't matter to you (you can always find your own posts on your own journal) then do what you want.

Date: 2018-12-04 11:07 pm (UTC)
greywash: A lounging pinup girl, holding a cocktail. (Default)
From: [personal profile] greywash
I'm making a big post about next steps—can I refer to this post and borrow your "whisperspace" terminology?

Date: 2018-12-05 12:32 am (UTC)
greywash: A lounging pinup girl, holding a cocktail. (Default)
From: [personal profile] greywash
OKAY WELL IT TOOK ME LITERAL HOURS BUT: https://greywash.dreamwidth.org/46038.html - thanks for letting me use it, whether it was original or not :D

+1

Date: 2018-12-05 04:16 pm (UTC)
jesse_the_k: Elderly smiling white woman captioned "When I was your age I had to walk ten miles in the snow to get stoned & have sex" (old fogey)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
Thank you for helping me understand whisperspace--even after a decade Tumblr mystified me.

Also, see subject line for "likes"

Re: +1

Date: 2018-12-11 05:24 pm (UTC)
mdlbear: the positively imaginary half of a cubic mandelbrot set (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear
+1 (Here from [personal profile] greywash, from [personal profile] jesse_the_k -- there must be a better way of saying this, but I'm being lazy.) Thanks; this is useful.

I seem to remember that you need a non-empty message. If you put a +1 in the subject you can always just put a period in the message, but it actually makes more sense the other way around: put the +1 in the message so that it's clear that you're not just responding to somebody else's +1. If that makes any sense.

That said, I like the way Slack lets you use any emoticon as a reaction.

Re: +1

Date: 2018-12-11 08:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
That said, I like the way Slack lets you use any emoticon as a reaction.

Discord has that same option, and I've grown to love it in the few months I've been using it. (Why Discord works for me when Slack doesn't is anyone's guess, particularly as I should have been predisposed to Slack as a former
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Discord has that same option, and I've grown to love it in the few months I've been using it. (Why Discord works for me when Slack doesn't is anyone's guess, particularly as I should have been predisposed to Slack as a former <a href-"http://www.glitchthegame.com/">Glitch</a> player.)

And yeah, I'm gonna miss using tags to editorialize.

Date: 2018-12-05 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] limit_the_sky
This post basically summarised the main reason I used Tumblr back when LJ was my primary fannish site - the ability to reblog and like something, to have a fannish presence and let people who follow me know my interests without actually having to write anything down or interact very much with any one person. I've really been liking all the meta and thought around fandom and social media with the recent Tumblr explosion, and this post really spoke to me. Thanks for sending it out into the world!!

Date: 2018-12-30 01:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carisma_sensei
In all honesty, Dreamwidth is Dreamwidth. What I mean is that long term users of Dreamwidth, like me, stayed here running away from all the reblog and like nonsense that was Tumblr.

Dreamwidth is a place for everything you want to do, but is planned out as a blogging system. You may not have likes but you can leave a comment with a heart if you wish (likes were added to LJ much to the dismay of everyone, I hated that). You can't reblog but that ensures having your own content and not massive replicas of everyone's content... I don't know, I think we have here a great opportunity to go some steps back to what used to be a fun way of blogging and sharing, leaving comments which feel great when they arrive, to discuss, etc.

Just a thought I wanted to let out, since many Tumblr users are demanding some features lately over what really is Dreamwidth and I, as a long term user, feel a bit uneasy because DW was never intended to be like the rest of social networks.

Don't feel like I'm mad or anything! Just felt like sharing this with everyone.
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